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PostSubject: Heraldry as an aspect of chivalry   Sat Apr 26, 2014 10:17 am

Just wondering whether discussions of heraldry should go in this section. Chivalry and heraldry were connected in Richard's mind, and, of course, he founded the College of Heralds. Moderators, if heraldry doesn't belong in this section, where should it go? I'm asking because I finally understand what a fetterlock (part of the early Yorkist badge) is thanks to an Amazon free sample of Brian Wainwright's book, Frustrated Falcons(about the three children of Edmund of Langley. Duke of York, Richard's paternal great-grandfather). Apparently, the "falcons" were "frustrated" because their father was so far down the line for the throne. Later, according to Wainwright, Edward IV opened the fetterlock to signify that the falcons (presumably, the House of York) were free.

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PostSubject: Re: Heraldry as an aspect of chivalry   Sat Apr 26, 2014 9:30 pm

Sounds good to me!
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PostSubject: Re: Heraldry as an aspect of chivalry   Sun Apr 27, 2014 8:56 am

I don't think Richard founded the College of Heralds as such - more that he gave them a London HQ - which Henry VII promptly took away from them and gave to MB.
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PostSubject: Re: Heraldry as an aspect of chivalry   Fri May 16, 2014 10:17 am

I've added "and Chivalry" to the title of this section. So there you go.

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PostSubject: Re: Heraldry as an aspect of chivalry   Sat May 31, 2014 8:19 pm

Thibault wrote:
I don't think Richard founded the College of Heralds as such - more that he gave them a London HQ - which Henry VII promptly took away from them and gave to MB.

Actually, Richard did found the College of Arms, granting the heralds a charter through letters patent dated March 21, 1484. See Sir Clements Markham. You're correct that Henry took away the "fayre and stately house" that Richard had granted them, but fortunately, he didn't take away the charter. The title page of The History of the College of Arms also identifies Richard as their founder. (Scroll down past the portraits to see it.) Of course, heralds and pursuivants existed in England before Richard's time, but they weren't an official organization until Richard incorporated them.
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PostSubject: Re: Heraldry as an aspect of chivalry   Sun Jun 01, 2014 10:57 am

Does anybody know if any other incorporated bodies called themselves "The Royal College of..." before the Heralds? If not, it would suggest that the Royal Colleges of Surgeons and Physicians to some extent inspired by Richard's foundation.
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